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Posted by RiserMiser on 27 June 2016 - 12:15 AM
Posted by catskilljohn on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 AM
I saw few mayflies, a couple sulphurs, a small group of trico spinners and a tiny rusty spinner with bright yellow eggs that was a little too high and fast for me to capture and photograph. Lots of tan caddis but as usual, I didn't see one fish take anything on top. They certainly weren't taking anything I floated over them on top.
I nymphed up a few of keeper size, nothing bigger than 12", and got a handful of smaller 8"ers, both browns and bows. Most of the good fish were in fast riffled water and tiny highly oxygenated plunge pools, but I got a couple in "normal" runs, though everything is very shallow.
Anyway, I left my camera at home and used my phone this time, at least its easier to load up pictures here, though I hope the size works out. CJ
edit...the pics are small, but you get the idea.
Posted by ews on 01 July 2016 - 10:58 PM
Posted by catskilljohn on 03 August 2015 - 11:17 PM
Just heard this...
The turbid discharge downstream of the dam has been completely and successfully ended.
After consulting with engineers from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, DEP has decided to return Cannonsville Reservoir to normal operations.
Good news for sure. CJ
Posted by Alex Argyros on 22 August 2016 - 12:57 AM
Fishing boards that begin to delve into politics usually run into trouble. In my experience, politics and religion are not topics that make for healthy and supportive communication about fishing issues.
Posted by WINGNUT on 03 June 2016 - 11:35 AM
At the risk of pissing off all the entomologist out there I will give it a shot.
My understanding is they used to be classified separately but now they are not. Both are now Maccaffertium Vicarium, Size of the bug gets smaller from "March Brown" to "Gray Fox"as the hatch progresses. Which is why everyone believed the Gray Fox was a different bug.
Posted by RiserMiser on 16 May 2016 - 01:39 AM
Monday we fought the wind and only a few fish. Cornutas were plenty but few fish rising. What few fish were rising completely stopped after 6. No spinner fall.
Tuesday and Wednesday were both great days and we landed some nice fish. Had afternoon sporadic rising both days to Hendricksons and spinners. The evenings both brought spinner falls and Tuesday night was exceptional from 6pm till dark. Water was boiling. Rapid casts were the order of the night. Wed night didn't turn on until around 7 and it was not as intense as the previous night but we still did fairly well.
Thursday we fished from 7am till noon and it was dead as expected. We only managed one nice fish on the way out on a Hendrickson.
Slime was a pain in the @$$ everyday except Monday.
Posted by lpette on 12 May 2016 - 06:23 PM
Posted by PatrickS on 22 March 2016 - 12:51 PM
The title of this thread could easily be misconstrued...
If you had that sort of mind.
Posted by PatrickS on 29 September 2015 - 12:32 PM
Well, that's a tricky one. We've had: flooding; rock snot; changes in length of season, slot limits; increased tubing; silty discharges from the Portal.
I know guys who are convinced that the browns are crowding out the rainbows. Others will argue just as forcefully that Portal silt is destroying insect life. It goes on and on.
But what I notice is that the same tactics I used in 1985 generally produce similar results in 2015. Swing a team of wets through the riffles, and you'll catch silver bullet bows. Drift a Stimulator past a boulder at dawn and chances are a nice brown will attack.
The latest wrinkle is a slot limit to go with the five fish bag limit. (Of the five kept, only two may be over 12 inches.) This was a compromise between the status quo and establishing a no-kill section from the Portal to the Five Arches Bridge, or some portion therein.
It's a very resilient river.
Some longe-range projects will help. There have been some flood control efforts, but far more important, there is a program for streamside landowners along the tribs to repair flood damage and plant the sort of bushes and trees that will make banks more stable.
Right now I'd say the two biggest problems are: the turbid Portal discharges, and the relentless stocking of brown trout.
On the former, I find it difficult to believe that some sort of mechanism for reducing silt cannot be devised. Of course, it won't happen if the NYC water people remain uninterested.
On the latter, I keep thinking of Montana, where nobody has stocked a trout in decades, and the effort went instead to restoring the overall habitat.
I'd like to see a five-year experiment, with a no-kill zone from the Portal on down, and no stocking at all. See what happens. If it's a bust, it will be apparent soon enough.
Posted by lpette on 25 June 2015 - 02:12 PM
I would bring a variety of patterns, colors and sizes. The trout can be very picky with regards to sulfurs. I tie and bring 14, 16, 18, parachutes, thorax, klinkhammer, comparadun and traditional patterns in light yellow and different shades of the orange sulfur. Catskill flies has a nice cripple pattern featured on the home page as the fly of the week...The ones I saw last week seemed to be more pale yellow and size 16.
Also Light Cahills 14, Small Olives, Isonychias(duns, emergers, nymphs and spinner) 12, Caddis, Spinners 16-12, beetles and ants 14-18. Small streamers/marabou leech size 8 in black and olive, pheasant tails, I like the Conover in size 12 and 14 as a searching pattern when nothing is going on.
Posted by lpette on 22 June 2015 - 01:26 PM
Posted by lpette on 12 June 2015 - 02:46 PM
This fly worked pretty well on the East Branch when the fish were rising sloppily to what looked like caddis in the am. We were sending everything but the kitchen sink to them but they wouldn't touch anything until I put this on. I had made only two before my trip so I gave one to my buddy and it was game on..
Hook 14 curved
Wing Med Dun CDC
Body Green Sparkle Dubbing mixed with bright Green Rabbit
Head/Thorax Touched Dubbed CDC and Natural Hares Ear Rabbit Dubbing
Posted by fly14 on 10 June 2015 - 07:07 PM
Its laughable. I agree that the mergansers do some damage on the trout pops but to say there needs to be increased stocking on the delaware system is just not even close to accurate. And the fact that JJ thinks the DEC has deep pockets is comical too. They are BROKE. Thats why the stocking is suffering if anything. The rivers are loaded with wild trout and big ones not just "little natives". This year I've also had my best year on the bkill in a long time and have been happy to find many wild browns this year on the lower river, something I had not come across in some time. That along with the wild rainbow pops that seem to be growing every year is a good sign for that river. Despite low flows every summer those fish somehow find a way to make it thru the year. The fish are there, the hatches have been spotty tho. Gotta fish the evening hours and u will find the fish. The wild fish don't rise sloppy either- you need to look for those sneaky noses on the banks.
Posted by PatrickS on 08 November 2014 - 11:21 PM
Last trip over, to close up the house and get a last couple of whacks in at the Esopus.
Thursday, Nov. 6 — Cold, drizzly, semi-miserable. Thinking in terms of chucking big streamers, I took out a gigantic rod, a 12.5 ft 8 weight Cabelas switch rod I bought primarily for chucking bass bugs around from a pontoon boat. And it worked fine for streamers, except the fish weren't terribly interested.
Around noon I noticed fish sipping at something. I figured small olives. So I wound up using this enormous rod with a long leader, 6X fluoro tippet, to drop a size 22 parachute olive in there. I had to stand about a quarter mile away, and landing the fish was another problem. This was along Plank Road, where the stuffed animal shrine has been modified. Does anybody have any idea what on earth this is about?
Friday was cold, drizzly, and very windy, making it completely miserable. Fished behind the Emerson in that deep pool, clambering around on the rip rap and catching brown after brown on the little olives again. Problem this time was the wind blowing the line around, creating the "Fleeing Olive" illusion so beloved of our forefathers. Damned if they didn't chase it though.
I wish I could have stayed today, which was sunny and calm, but I had urgent business at home. So that's it for the Catskills this year. It was a good one.
Friday, Nov. 7, above Portal, near Shandaken town hall
Thursday, Nov. 6, Plank Road
Stuffed animals. This is getting into "Blair Witch" territory
"FALL" stands for "False alarm - leaf (laughs)"
Posted by idryfly on 06 November 2014 - 11:02 PM
Gene....certainly can't complain with hooking into four .......I started on the west side in the morning and then before noon I was above the bridge in Riverton fishing the Westbranch...Beaver pool.... my entire afternoon was spent on the east side of the river - below Matthis park.
Brooklyn.....no question the female persuasion will cut down on your fishing time I'm engaged with a May 16th wedding date......and my fiancée doesn't understand why missing the Hendrickson hatch is such a big deal ???
Posted by lpette on 20 September 2011 - 09:56 PM
assuming the fish were caught legally, why wouldn't they 'count'?
I don't know. Maybe I am wrong. I just feel using a fly requires a little more effort. Anyone can cast a spinning rod, buy a spinner or other lure and catch a trout.
I say give the fish a chance and make it more sporting. Might sound crazy, but I think they deserve a little more respect. To me, it just doesn't seem right to catch them like that.
I feel the same way about using live bait for other species like stripers, ect. Really not much of a challenge.
Fished today in the surf using a fly rod for striped bass. Didn't catch any (others did) but I still enjoyed and when I do get one, I know it was on a fly I tied and the fish had a chance.
"Just cause you got the power, don't mean you got the right" (Lemmy Kilminster)
Posted by wtlovett on 04 September 2011 - 11:57 AM
Posted by tele-caster on 05 May 2010 - 04:29 PM
people’s gripe about stocking and catch & keep, is beyond me … remember that those big smart holdovers were once freshly stocked dinks … despite the holdovers, the BK system is marginal trout water year-round, and without stocking, the fishing would be likewise, marginal … personally, I’d rather see fish quickly killed by fishermen in june, than slowly killed by high water temperatures in august … unless enough of the system can provide cold water to support trout year round, fish will not reproduce or holdover in good numbers … the BK thermal refuge is a great start - I applaud the DEC for establishing this …
while holdovers and some wild fish do exist, to provide good fishing, the system relies on stocking … you can call it ‘supplementary’ stocking if you want, but I believe stocked fish are the lifesblood of the beaverkill today … it is as much an artificial manmade arrangement as the east & west branches of the delaware, which would not exist as trout fisheries without the benefit of bottom release from the reservoirs … ofcourse, the delaware system also benefits form the protected tributaries that lie on the much maligned NYC / DEP watershed land – also open to fishing, btw …
to get natural reproduction going in the BK system would take a concerted effort to protect the headwaters and spawning tributaries - many or most of which are on private land, and real efforts to limit development around and degradation of, the resource … if the headwaters and tribs run cold and steady year-round, the main river will too … but we’re talking coordination with local government, road department, landowners and businesses … can it happen? sure – the snake river in the area of jackson hole is managed as a true wild trout fishery … the spawning tribs, and entire swaths of public land are closed to fishing while the cutts are on their redds … imagine shutting down fishing in trout brook, the upper BK and WW, monguap creek and fir brook – probably half of sullivan county … until enough streamborn fish can drop down from those headwaters and tribs, can survive the summer ( and winter ) in the main BK and return for spawning, a thriving wild fish population in the BK is just not realistic … I would love to see the BK system managed as a wild fishery, but that’s not gonna happen in my lifetime …
I think the weekend crowds are some indication of the success of the DEC’s management of the BK, based on stocking … I dislike crowded water as much – probably more – than most fishermen … I drive, scout and hike if that’s what it takes to get away from the masses … I’ve never set foot in cairns … but, even with the number of people on the water last weekend, I found a nice pool to myself … you’re never gonna please all the people all of the time … but, based on the number of fishermen – especially flyfishermen - on the water this weekend, the DEC must be doing something right …
finally, when you consider that brown & rainbow trout are exotic non-native species, the whole rationale for a state agency like the DEC managing a natural resource within its jurisdiction, by rearing and stocking non-native fish that compete with native brook trout, is an awful strange thing to think about … so, if you’re really against stocking, be careful what you wish for … tele
Posted by Bamboo&Brookies on 28 April 2010 - 02:37 AM
Browns, from all I have read and also what I've discussed with biologists -- will migrate many miles in relatively short time spans.
So some of the BKill browns you catch might be wild East or West Branch Delaware fish.
And some might be residents or holdovers, while the rest are stockies. Some of the stockies these days look quite wild and colorful, especially those raised in ponds as opposed to concrete raceways.
Tough to tell for certain, but a decent fish is a decent fish no matter its provenance.