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#1 Limestoner

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:58 AM

When's the Antrim opening?  Right after the 2nd Coming??

 

They better get going, or the place is gonna fall down and turn into compost ......

 

Does anyone own this now, or did Sullivan County take it over for back taxes??



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 10:30 PM

Limestoner,

 

I have not heard from the owners for awhile now. In the past I had an e-mail correspondence with Diane (owner).  There have been many issues since the fire in July of 2006. Legal as well as construction problems. The owners have tried hard to make things happen, and their  hearts are set on making all this work.  I don't have any recent news to report, but I will look into it and see what I can find.

 

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 01:59 AM

sad situation



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 04:25 AM

I can vividly remember staying at the Antrim back in the early 1960's.  A room with a sink and shared bath was $5.00 per night. The restaurant had great food and I remember the host - his first name was Doug and I think he dabbled in real estate.



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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:23 AM

Flyman,

 

The gent's name was Doug Bury.

 

Doug owned the Antrim Lodge Hotel and Restaurant from 1948 until 1983. He also owned Douglas Bury Real Estate from 1968 until 2006.

Sadly Doug passed away in 2008.

 

Still nothing to report on the Antrim from my end at this time, but I'll keep trying.

 

JB



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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:27 AM

Hey for what its' worth here is a pic of the owners of the Antrim Lodge after Doug Bury sold it:

 

 

 

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 Socrates Papadimatos, left, with his wife, Lenna, and son Mark stand at the bar of the Antrim Lodge in Roscoe in this 1993 photo. 



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Posted 28 April 2015 - 01:50 PM

How long did this family run the Antrim before it closed down again.  Sometimes I think the old country restaurants that had many followers of generations of diners has come, and sadly, gone away only to be replaced with mundane fast food fare or "family restaurants".



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Posted 06 May 2015 - 05:19 PM

I admit I'm enough of a snob that I sort of miss the grand old places.  Last year I went out to Colorado and was on the "Dream Stream" for a day (not really that dreamy) and ended up in Fairplay which is a really neat old town with half the dwellings log cabins in various states of repair. The Fairplay Hotel is still in operation with a dining room for dinner only but this place is still an "Old Time" Inn where I'm pretty sure you could smoke a pipe or cigar in the lobby while looking at the fire in the fireplace or the elk heads on the wall and no body is going to complain. They might even have community bathrooms down the hall.

   I don't know why the old Catskill places seem to not make a go of it- guess I should have spent more money staying in some of them.



#9 Limestoner

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:03 PM

Well, the dream stream in Colorado can be any of a number  - used to be the south platte (for the Denver area folks) or the Fryingpan, or whatever.  But to the topic of 'old time' inns and hotels, (1) the quickway was the death knell for a number of them, as NYC guys who used to come up for a few days and stay at the Antrim and now can blast from the city and back in a daytrip - no need to stay overnight. (2) Today, there really aren't very many dedicated flyfishermen anymore, guys for whom fishing is a true passion and their only real leisure pursuit.  Fishing has become an activity, like tennis, the beach, shopping, movies - something to do, but certainly not a passion.  Hotels and Inns up there depended on the guys who, during the season, were up there every chance they got - and who had the discretionary income to be able to afford staying there.  Today, a guy may go 1 or 2 time during the season - and an innkeeper isn't going to stay in business very long without regulars who are there without fail during May - September.   Look at the guys at the west branch next time you're there; generally young (20's - early 40's), outfitted from head to toe in either Orvis everything, or Simms and Sage everything.  Some of them are great casters; few know how to fish,  But learning how to fish takes time and dedication, and modern man is too busy with multiple interests and hobbies/activities to be able to allocate the time needed to really learn - or really appreciate the outdoors and nature. They want to catch fish (like all of us), maybe take a few selfies with their smart phones to message back to their Facebook friends - but unlike a true fisherman, who fishes for the love of being outdoors in nature -  that's it.  No fish? Let's get the hell out of here and go do something else.

 

I was a kid when I first went into the Antrim - at 16, was totally out of place amid a crowd of old guys (so they seemed at the time, 50 years later, I'm one of them), and everyone was having a good time, all seem to know each other, the day was being discussed, plans were being made for tomorrow, but aside from the occasional joke being told, the talk as far as I could tell was fishing.  A guy next to me bought me a coke, I thanked him, he asked me a couple of questions, where I was from, how I did today, and made a couple of suggestions where I might try tomorrow.  I thanked him again, he turned back to his friends - it was the only time I was in the Antrim, and it wasn't until much later that I realized it was Walt Dette who took the time to talk with a kid who loved flyfishing but was a long way from being any good at it.  Now, 51 years later, I'm still not a great flyfisherman, but I can generally manage a fish or two when I go out - and that's plenty.  The real joy is just being on the water, doing what I love.  This isn't a sport, as some call it, it's a passion; you either have it or you don't; and most guys today that I see on the water today are of the latter variety.  Not their fault, they have careers, wives, kids, and active social lives which includes fishing, but it's only one of several social activities they engage in.

 

Don't know why I'm rambling on like this, one of the privileges of age and a wandering mind I guess.



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:09 PM

Great observations, Limestoner! I fall in between the passion and activity category. I definitely love to fish because of the deep satisfaction and dose of humility I get from being imbedded in nature.  But, still in the work force, I only have the time for it to be an activity and, like those you cite, it’s just a couple of times each season to Roscoe.  I’m hoping, when my hitch in the corporate service is over, to make my remaining life all about my passions, instead of banking the money to support them J



#11 BrooklynFlyGuy

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 03:34 PM

Great post Limestoner. You hit the nail on the head and brought me to a time gone by in the process.
I think you missed your other passion which is writing.
Tight lines to you, sir.



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Posted 08 June 2015 - 04:50 PM

I like the ramblings!! Well said.

 

 

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 01:15 AM

I got this from Diane, figured I would post it here to fill in the interested parties on what's going on...

Dear John -

Very sorry for the long delay in getting back to your Antrim inquiry.
Evidently, we had some website/email issues and all
inquiries that were directed to our info@antrimlodge.com address were
who knows where (???) for a while. We believe the problem has been
resolved, but I am so sorry for the response lag.

We engaged in a full scale renovation of the inn and we were preparing
for an opening in 2007. However, major flooding occurred in Roscoe in
June 2006 and the ground floor and basement of the Antrim were
completely flooded. We had just completed cleaning up from the
flooding and were resuming construction when, on a hot mid-July day, a
fire broke out in one of the second floor bedrooms. That fire spread
quickly and the entire 2nd, 3rd and 4th floors were burned.

After that, we were faced with huge clean up and rebuilding costs, and
loss of our grandfathered status under the building code. These facts
necessitated significant changes in the interior design of the
building. In addition, our insurance company was forced into
litigation with the insurers of the contractors who were responsible
for the fire. No work could be done for 3 years while the litigation
was pending.

All of that is in the past however, and we remain committed to the
project. During the last few years some other personal matters have
prevented us from being able to focus on the Antrim renovation, but we
have not abandoned the project. We've purchased some of the
surrounding properties to enable the Antrim's guests to have more
space and to make the inn even better. Moreover, the lull has enabled
us to network with more people in the hotel and restaurant industry to
better define the focus for the new Antrim.

We will update the website when the time comes, but I appreciate your
continued interest.

Best regards,
Diane

 

There is still hope...  CJ



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:42 PM

Thanks for the update catskilljohn



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 12:57 AM

is the Antrim more than just a dream ? The thought of staying their after a long day of fishing is mighty intoxicating, pun intended. 

I have always wanted to belly up to that bar and chew the fat with other fly anglers , but, in this day n age of cramming all time , seemingly shorter and shorter seasons, other options , could this place really survive in Roscoe , if it ever did re-open ? How many years losing money till the investors would back out ? My other "dream" has been for the Red Rose , I guess to fly fish is to dream , hope springs eternal.

I do hope to see the day when the open sign is on , I would be happy to buy the first round  and tell you about the one that got away , and ghosts I have met on the Beaverkill ( true story ! )

Appreciate the info guys , fingers crossed it happens in our lifetime . 



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 04:51 PM

I don't know if anyone else here has noticed, but they are breaking ground for a new hotel right on Stewart street. Across from the supermarket.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 08:08 PM

BRF, I did notice something going on but did not realize it was going to be a hotel. Kind of hard to believe,since the Reynolds House has been for sale for quite some time. Most of Roscoe has deteriorated and not much has been done to refresh or at the least paint. From my understanding Roscoe is a ghost town from November to April. Kind of hard to make it that way. As far as the Antrim is concerned, what wonderful memories. I'll be happy to leave it at that.

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#18 Limestoner

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:02 PM

Guys, I  started this thread at least slightly in jest, didn't think it would bring more than 1 or 2 cursory replies.  Despite John's kind post from Diane, I for one find it almost impossible to believe that anyone would even consider making an investment of any size in town; on that, I have to agree with FlyGuy.  Now BrooklynFG alerts us to the pending construction of a new hotel across the street from what might be loosely termed a supermarket?  Honestly, for a long time I thought the Antrim was the victim of an intentional torch job when the owners realized they were way over their heads on their construction estimates and their revised P&L projections showed there was no way on God's green earth to even break even, let alone turn a profit.

 

I guess I was wrong about that, and no disrespect intended to the present owners, but seriously, their ongoing carrying costs, the opportunity cost of money tied up for years earning zero, the fishing industry in a slow decline ...... I don't get it.

 

A new hotel?  Really??  I hope for the sake of what's left of Roscoe it's true.  I didn't know the Reynolds House was on the market, but I remember a while ago seeing Raimondo's listed at $750,000.  It took me a week to stop laughing.

 

Maybe one of the Rockefellers is doing a charitable deed for the Catskills in Trout Town?



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 11:49 AM

My friend, Lou, has been trying to sell Reynolds House for years since he'd like to retire (again-after having retired from the phone company after a long career).  I'm amazed the construction on Stewart is a new hotel.  maybe somebody is "gambling" (groan) on an approval for a Sullivan County casino and figures they'd get some overflow business.  You don't think, per Diane's email above about buying other properties, the Antrim owners are behind the new project, do you?



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 11:43 PM

You don't think, per Diane's email above about buying other properties, the Antrim owners are behind the new project, do you?


What I took from that statement was that they bought an adjacent lot or 2 next to the Antrim building. If you were looking to give your "guests more space" that's where I would buy.

Who knows what Diane's finances are. She wouldn't be the first that owned a business in the red and ran it that way for one reason or another. Maybe I am being overly hopeful, but I made a pact to buy my friends a round when it opened, and I am standing by that. CJ




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