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#1 upstate rookie

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 11:19 PM

Grey Fox or a March Brown - a phase, how are they related?



#2 jjold17

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 01:40 AM

I'm not sure but redfoxes and grey foxes have to be!...man it was gorgeous but dead! Just got off and going to charcoals... Sulfur 16 took 1 missed a few..bugs no hatch...amazing!

#3 WINGNUT

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 11:35 AM

At the risk of pissing off all the entomologist out there I will give it a shot.

My understanding is they used to be classified separately but now they are not.  Both are now Maccaffertium Vicarium,  Size of the bug gets smaller from "March Brown" to "Gray Fox"as the hatch progresses.  Which is why everyone believed the Gray Fox was a different bug.



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 02:36 PM

Exactly......Stenonoma Vicarium (MB) and Stenonoma Fuscum (GF) were originally classified as 2 different bugs - but  were reclassified as the same identical insect all along - just a smaller version.  Of interest -  the trout have not taken notice of the change and will still eat your Gray Foxes willingly.  Apparently they have no interest in latin name reclassifications as they find the differences to be insignificant - as do anglers.



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 05:04 PM

Curious that they didnt retain the genus name, come up with a new species name perhaps and retain the old species names as a subspecies classification; im sure they could still be useful in denoting a size difference.



#6 upstate rookie

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 05:55 PM

thanks



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:49 PM

Going to try the latest Catskillflies tie..this is actually one shows from the shop..can't post pic from cellphone

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:49 PM

Going to try the latest Catskillflies tie..this is actually one shows from the shop..can't post pic from cellphone

#9 GaryB

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:33 PM

Most of my fish were caught on March Brown/Grey Fox patterns even thought the hatch is pretty much over.

#10 WINGNUT

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Posted 05 June 2016 - 12:06 AM

I've always been able to pound them up with March Browns long after the hatch is over.  I refer to the March Brown as a cheeseburger.   The fish love to eat them.



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Posted 06 June 2016 - 05:56 PM

I agree, what pattern(s) do you like to imitate March Brown/Grey Fox?



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Posted 06 June 2016 - 09:16 PM

I like compara dun or any that the wing is prominent. I think the wing is key

#13 WINGNUT

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 11:43 PM

Check out the pattern in Eastern Flyfisherman a few months ago.  Its on a klinkhammer style hook with hackle and deer hair.  Also has a dark turkey biot on the back side of the body.  Its been a killer pattern for me this year absolutely out fishing any other in my box.






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